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A Conservative parliamentary candidate and aide to James Cleverly described the governmentâs Rwanda plan as âcrapâ in a leaked recording. James Sunderland, Mr Cleverlyâs parliamentary private secretary, asks if anyone has their phones on before making the remark, in audio obtained by the BBC and published by the Labour Party. Mr Sunderland continued by defending the plan and saying it would deter migrants from attempting to cross the Channel. âBut itâs not about the policy. Itâs about the effect of the policy. Itâs the second- or third-order effects,â he added. Mr Cleverly told Sky News his aide was putting forward a âvery counterintuitive statementâ to grab the attention of the audience.